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How Forward Deployed Engineering is done at Factory — Eno Reyes
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Transcript
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- 0:12 This is the forward deployed engineering track, in case you're in the wrong room.
- 0:16 As you already know, forward deployed engineering is one of the hottest topics in AI.
- 0:20 The most important companies on the planet are building out massive FTE teams.
- 0:24 So think OpenAI, Anthropic, Google DeepMind, you get the idea.
- 0:28 Forward Deployed Engineering was pioneered by Palantir many years ago to embed really strong software engineers directly into their customers' orgs to implement and customize their platforms around the nuances of the real world.
- 0:40 So today we brought in some amazing speakers from Anthropic, Cursor, Factory, RAMP, Decagon, and many more to talk about the current state of Forward Deployed Engineering, how it works at their companies, and where it's going.
- 0:52 Our first speaker
- 0:54 Our first speaker is Eno Reyes.
- 0:56 He's the co-founder and CTO at Factory, which is building autonomous software engineering agents for enterprise teams.
- 1:01 Previously, he worked in machine learning and software engineering roles at Hugging Face and Microsoft.
- 1:06 Let's give it up for Eno.
- 1:11 yeah hey everyone excited to chat today um and you know basically i my hope is that at the end of this you guys get a sense of some of the work that we're doing on behalf of our customers and with our customers and the role of what we call a deployed engineer should hopefully be a little bit clearer since i think that there are honestly tons of different models um for uh for how this should actually operate inside of an org and so
- 1:40 I think that when we start, I do think that there are some nuances in sort of like the Palantir era playbook.
- 1:47 And generally the way that Forward Deployed goes is I see that there are lots of different takes on sort of where Forward Deployed sits within the org, how much it interfaces with the actual product team or the engineering team, how much work is done on behalf
- 2:02 half of the customers versus with them and how much work is done on code itself or basically like in the software system versus with the humans and sort of strategizing, right?
- 2:13 And so generally I think in this older model, a lot of the way that software needed to be built was you needed to go and access that code base.
- 2:23 You needed to integrate directly into data streams or software or products that basically you could only access behind the curtain of the customer.
- 2:32 And so if you were building something that was heavily integrated into their environment, you kind of had the need to send and sort of parachute in individuals into the org.
- 2:42 But really, that has transformed over time into a role that sort of forks out.
- 2:49 And you see a lot of people who are sort of quote unquote forward deployed engineers or deployed engineers or applied AI engineers.
- 2:56 And it's always a little bit unclear.
- 2:59 Are they doing maybe professional services work on behalf of their customer?
- 3:03 Are they transforming the product around an individual customer?
- 3:08 Are they just building entirely net new things in the customer's environment, maybe on top of your product?
- 3:14 And I think that, at least at Factory, we definitely do not want to be doing professional services work on behalf of a customer.
- 3:23 So if a customer says, I want to do a modernization of a code base, and I just got quoted from all of the big consulting firms, it's going to cost this much, could you do this consulting work for us?
- 3:36 our goal is not to go and actually do that migration on their behalf, even if we happen to be using our product, right?
- 3:44 And that is because we don't think that that actually makes our product that much better.
- 3:48 And ultimately, that is a great way to get, I'd say, a decent amount of revenue.
- 3:52 But I don't think that that's the way that you can scale a business out enormously, right?
- 3:56 And so what we've done is we've instead said, we need deployed engineers to be the tip of the spear of the product.
- 4:03 And I'm going to do this and then go back.
- 4:07 But really when we say the tip of the spear, what we mean is that deployed engineers are basically the stream of information from our largest and most critical customers of the engineering leadership in that org, the on the ground tactical engineers, their thought process about how software development and AI is actually happening at that org.
- 4:27 and then flowing all of that information back into our product to then rapidly adjust our product in order to then fit into the customer's environment better, right?
- 4:37 And so factory really should be, when it gets deployed, and I'll talk about what factory is in a second, but we want that to be effectively self-assembled inside of our customer's environment, right?
- 4:48 And then there's a lot of work that goes into understanding that customer's environment, the flows that happen, and ultimately the ROI story.
- 4:57 And what factory really is to our customers is a set of building blocks for building a software factory, right?
- 5:06 And so when we say software factory, what we mean is there's this implicit process that every organization in the world sits on top of.
- 5:13 where signals from the outside world flow in on one side.
- 5:17 And those signals could be a lot of different things.
- 5:19 It could be customer conversations.
- 5:21 It could be bug reports.
- 5:22 It could be internal Slack or Teams conversations.
- 5:25 It could be an executive saying, we're going to build this thing, right?
- 5:28 All of these are signals.
- 5:30 Some of them have higher weight than others.
- 5:32 And those signals flow in, and humans, implicitly or explicitly, then choose to then prioritize, triage, and build plans around those signals.
- 5:42 Those plans are then converted, typically by software developers, into changes into some source of truth, a code base, an engineering system.
- 5:51 And as those changes are actually executed on,
- 5:54 they flow through a validation stage where people maybe review the code, they QA, they assess the security implications, they pass it through automated validation like SAS tools, linters, type checkers, and ultimately, when everything passes, they then ship and deploy.
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Chapters
- 0:00 Introduction: where forward deployed sits
- 2:08 The role inside the customer's environment
- 3:49 The tip of the spear of the product
- 5:03 The software factory: signals in, outcomes out
- 6:57 Why you own the agent harness
- 8:11 Air gapping Droid inside the customer
- 10:08 The autonomy maturity model
- 12:05 Making a codebase agent ready
- 14:53 Migrating 40 million line codebases
- 16:38 The city of the future analogy
- 18:34 Constrained autonomy and legal droid
- 20:04 Redefining the forward deployed role