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AI’s Jurassic Park Period — Aaron Stanley, dbt Labs
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Transcript
217 cues· 2,831 words· 15,101 chars
- 0:15 So I am a CISO.
- 0:19 I'm also a law school graduate.
- 0:21 I'm also a member of the California Bar.
- 0:23 And so my contention is that if we replaced the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park, the first one, not the additional ones, with AI agents, I would not survive the first half of the movie.
- 0:37 So I'm here to ask you, brilliant people in the audience, to please help me avoid that fate.
- 0:47 So I'm going to set this up.
- 0:48 About 20 years ago, I got out of bed.
- 0:53 I hadn't slept.
- 0:55 I kind of tried to put myself together.
- 0:57 I stumbled into the downtown Manhattan offices of a small digital forensics firm called Strauss Friedberg.
- 1:05 I knew that I was going to get fired.
- 1:09 Because the day before had been a really busy day.
- 1:14 And I was one of the only people in the office when a call came in from one of our clients saying, we need an emergency data collection from some systems in Midtown.
- 1:25 So I packed my bag, I got in a car, I waded through traffic.
- 1:32 When I was unpacking everything and getting set up on site, I realized I forgot my dongle.
- 1:41 You see, back in these days, we had these little USB drives that had cryptographic keys on them.
- 1:47 They were the license files for the software that we used to do forensic acquisition.
- 1:53 And I mean, I could have gotten back in a car.
- 1:56 I could have gone back to the office.
- 1:57 I could have gotten the dongle and come back and done this the right way, but I was a good consultant.
- 2:03 I had a backup, and I had a backup to the backup.
- 2:06 And so I decided, yeah, you know what, I've hit this constraint, I've hit this wall, I'm just gonna route around it, and I'm gonna get the job done.
- 2:15 So as things are going, I start to validate the evidence that I'm collecting, and I realize the timestamps are changing, they're now.
- 2:26 Well, this was an SEC investigation, and a lot of the times in these investigations, one of the questions that matters a lot is who knew what, when?
- 2:35 So I panicked.
- 2:38 Long story short, I didn't get fired.
- 2:41 I got yelled at pretty bad.
- 2:44 But we realized that there were problems, structural problems with our systems that let this thing happen and let me fail in this spectacular way.
- 2:53 So we fixed those things and everybody lived to fight another day.
- 2:58 Now, fast forward 20 years or so, February of this year, I'm in a very different role.
- 3:06 I'm a CISO.
- 3:07 I've hired consultants.
- 3:09 I have a vendor system that I'm trying to acquire data for in another federal government investigation.
- 3:17 And as we're working together and talking around, we realize there is no way to do what we wanna do.
- 3:22 There's no way to copy the data in a way that gets us the answers we need in the format that the government wants without changing the metadata.
- 3:34 Very quickly, the consultant, the vendor say, not it.
- 3:39 And I'm left holding the bag.
- 3:42 But there are some differences in the system now than what we had before.
- 3:49 I realized that who knew what when wasn't the question I wanted to answer.
- 3:54 I realized the issue is, does the data exist?
- 3:57 I also realized that the system itself would log the changes that I needed to make in order to collect the data.
- 4:05 And I also realized that I could write a tool with my good agent friend and we could build another log that made this all forensically defensible.
- 4:15 I had a nice way around the problem.
- 4:20 So in both cases, I hit a very similar constraint.
- 4:24 I can't do the thing I wanna do.
- 4:26 I can't get it done.
- 4:28 But in one case, I mess up.
- 4:30 In the other case, I do it the right way.
- 4:33 And my contention is that the agents that we are working with today are like 2006 naive Aaron who just needs to get the job done.
- 4:42 And what we need and what I am begging you all to build
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Chapters
- 0:00 Introduction: a CISO in Jurassic Park
- 0:53 The forgotten dongle and the changing timestamps
- 2:58 Twenty years later: the same wall, done safely
- 4:29 Agents are naive 2006 Aaron
- 5:09 What Jurassic Park is really about
- 6:41 When an agent sends the message it was told to hold
- 8:26 The agent that asked to install a Chrome extension
- 9:42 Necessary but not sufficient: the pernicious problem
- 11:14 Corrigibility and outcome driven constraint violations
- 12:08 Three rules for load bearing constraints
- 13:01 The intelligent adversary and human escalation
- 16:10 The EU AI Act and the four layer answer
- 17:34 Q&A: what to prioritize and where to instrument it